At 07:02 PM 9/11/98 +0300, you wrote:
>
>Beg to differ Don, but, irrespective of the definition of FARs, CAs ARE
>an essential part of the crew. Whilst perhaps not meeting the AFM
>"essential operating crew members", they nevertheless qualify, in my
>humble opinion, as being necessary for assitance in getting passengers
>to get "out of there " (the aircraft) when all hell breaks loose! Normal
>accepted definition is for 1 CA per 50 pax. or part thereof, so doesn't
>that qualify as an "essential crewmemeber", irrespective of
>interpretation(s) of FARs?
>
>Why the emphasis on CA duties, e.g., involvement in CRM, recurrent
>training, crowd control, etc in JAR-OPS 1 (AND 3) if theyaren't regarded
>as essential crewmembers?
>
>No disrespect intended, but isn't it time that all "at the coal face"
>(operating crewmembers, be it flightdeck OR CAs) simply accepted the
>reality of the situation vs. that which the legislators perceive to be
>the case? That is, each serves a proper purpose in being on an aircraft,
>and so, irrspective of (current) definition of "essential crewmember",
>should be protected to the fullest extent by law from unlawful
>interference whilst they are conducting their duties. That being said,
>the unfortunate CA whose plight started all this debate SHOULD have been
>supported by laws whose intent, after all, is to ensure the safety and
>security of each and every one of us who use/avail ourselves/work in the
>air transport industry.
>
>My feelings go out to the lady, and I trust she recovers soon, and the
>sanity AND justice will prevail for her's and our sakes!
>
>Phil R.
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>Donald A. Talleur wrote:
>>
>> Flight attendents are not Flight crewmembers, airmen, or the like by
>> certification. (reference the FARs) therefore interfering with them alone
>> probably falls under some different laws. However, the premise of
>> "interfence" is not solely with the flight crewmembers. If you interfere
>> with the safe operation of the flight (via a flight attendant or any other
>> means) you are violating federal laws for which there are a whole slew of
>> fines and jail times established for. If you simply assult a flight
>> attendant but bring no harm to the flight or "interfere" with it's saftey,
>> a loose interpretation may allow civil penalities to be imposed. Bottom
>> line: it is a federal offense to place the safe outcome of a flight (of any
>> kind) in jeopardy.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> At 09:40 PM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> >I for one am quite shocked at the story. I was under the impression that
>> >interference with a flight crew, particularly during flight, was a felony
>> >under American law. To me, the flight attendents qualify as flight
crew, so
>> >if they are treated adversely, shouldn't that law apply?
>> >
>> >You have my sympathy and condolences, Mike. I hope your wife recovers,
and
>> >some sort of justice can bring you and your family some peace.
>> >
>> >Greg Deen
>> >
>