Gerry Joering wrote:
>There is a need for advanced certificate recognition beyond the ATP. Most
>professional groups have courses with agreed upon standards for advanced
>training. These programs are not meant to be MA, MS, or PHD equivalents
>yet they provide a goal for those who seek self improvement or expertise
>within a narrow field. Certificates in Advanced Management come to mind.
>A nationally recognized umbrella group is necessary to give such a program
>creditability. It may be that the Aviation schools can play a leading role
>in establishing a certificate accreditation board or association.
Tony Kern wrote:
>Guy and Jerry's comments are exiciting and intriguing, but why
>limit the program to certificates for high achievers? Why not, (since we
>are brainstorming here anyway) look at the entire spectrum of degree
>programs? Or is this discussion off limits because of our close ties to
>the higher education world?
Guy M. Smith wrote:
>Gerry, you are right on target with your comment. This addresses a
>whole new paradigm in education called the "Corporate University" or
>"Corporate College." I recently discovered a new magazine called
>"Corporate University Review" that covers this exciting concept of
>education. You might want to scan their website at
>http://www.traininguniversity.com/index.html
>The latest issue of "Corporate University Review" describes a program at
>Reebok that does exactly what you are talking about. The idea of a
>corporate university in an airline has tremendous potential. In many
>cases, airlines already have the training programs, the experts, and the
>facilities. I can picture an alliance between an airline and a
>university that does exactly what Gerry suggests - providing advanced
>certificates for our specializations. Here is an example - Certificate
>in Human Factors Facilitation. Anybody interested??
Dave Wilson wrote:
>The corporate university is a good idea. However, should there not be some
>overarching organization that establishes standards? I think the idea has
>merit well beyond just the airline industry. I, for one, would be interested
>in the "Certificate in Human Factors Facilitation". What are the criteria
>and who provides the certification?
Guy M. Smith
>Lest I be misunderstood, please let me clarify. Unfortunately, I do not
>know of a program that offers a "Certificate in Human Factors
>Facilitation," but I do know how to develop one. I invented that
>certificate as an example of what an airline could do in a Corporate
>University. The point is -- we, in industry, have a tremendous amount
>of expertise and resources. Yet we leave it up to the academic
>institutions to certify education with bachelors, masters, and doctoral
>degrees. Perhaps we should package the education that we already do in
>a way that offers incentives to our customers (pilots, instructors,
>etc.)
Charlie Russell
>It is not difficult to grant "Continuing Education Credits for
>professional training. From there many universities will sanction
>accredited courses provided the instructor has meet their criteria for
>accreditation. I have taught many college course as part of an "Out Reach
>Program" for Indiana
>Univ./Purdue Univ. in high schools, libraries, etc. All things are possible.
>...I'll talk to the folks at Purdue Aviation Technology Department and see
>what can be done.
Rick Heybroek wrote
>The problems with inconsistently applied facilitation standards both from
>facilitator to facilitator and among companies became serious enough that a
>UK Focus Team on Facilitator Accreditation was set up to develop an
>industry standard programme. The focus team includes facilitators, the
>regulatory authority, the industry lead body for National Vocational
>Qualifications, the Aeronautical Society and others. This is an ongoing
>effort and the first public briefing will be during the September 17th LOFT
>conference at CAA Gatwick. I will be able to forward more information to
>this list following the conference, but I thought it might be interesting
>to note that the project is under way.
>Guy (with his experience) can develop such a programme, as could others.
>In the interests of consistency of facilitation some consensus on content
>and standards should be the rule, not the exception.
Charlie and Rick, don't forget your promise and tell us.
Well, the European Association for Aviation Psychology EAAP (former WEAAP),
made last year some kind of seminar near Rome in order to grant
Accreditation both on Human Factors and Aviation Psychology. Perhaps there
is in the forum a EAAP member who was there (my budget didn't allow me myself)
Another possibility is a kind of Aeronautical Licence or Certificate of
Competence issued by the Aviation Authority, like is our project down here.
In fact we have establish a workshop type courses.
We celebrate every other thuesday (far 121) and every other thuesday (far
135) nationwide meetings, with representatives from all the far121 and major
far135 companies, 30 people in each (including police, national guard,
provinces aviation organizations, and coast guard instructor pilots).
These meetings, from 09:00 thru 17:00, allow us to set baselines, propose
legislation to the aviation authority, study, create, and also, constitute
the "de facto" laboratory where the future certifications will be granted.
We envision that these meetings would be permanent, since the Certificate
will have just one year validity, and will need annual validation perhaps
just in the same forum.
By the other hand, we need to reach about one hundred CRM facilitators all
over the country to comlpy with the targets we ourselves have selfimposed.
The "benediction" of a University may help, but we would introduce here a
monetary factor, that for the moment is not a problem, the course is for free.
I would like very much your comments.
Hugo
Hugo Oscar Leimann Patt, MD, PhD
Argentine Aviation Authority and Air Force CRM Developer
Tronador 1515
(1430) Buenos Aires
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