RE: psycho-babble

Gordon Breault (breaultg_at_hampva.meitech.com)
Thu, 7 May 1998 11:16:11 -0400

I really think we go a bit too far by equating psycho-babble with error
management. Psycho-babble will always be psycho-babble, and as such will
NEVER be accepted by aircrews. Especially if it's taught by non-aviators.
Error management on the other hand can play an extremely important role as
an adjunct to CRM Training. As long as the errors covered and the tools to
avoid/mitigate are of the cockpit variety, and not of an organizational
nature---which would be better covered under organizational risk
management. Just this guys opinion.

Gordie

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete.Hahn_at_ramstein.af.mil [SMTP:Pete.Hahn_at_ramstein.af.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 4:32 AM
To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
Subject: RE: psycho-babble
Importance: High

sorry a little late on this,been out and about.
I would be disappointed if someone didn't mention the direction
that the current generation of CRM has redirected us.... i.e. error
management! if the goal of the head shrinking is crew based error
reduction then more power to it!!
As an operator, however, I must say that tangible tools and
techniques have always been more appealing to me than the abstract
concepts of psychoanalysis.

Pete Hahn

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> From: Hugo Oscar Leimann Patt[SMTP:hleimann_at_houseware.com.ar]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 12:09 AM
> To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
> Subject: psycho-babble
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> Hi gang,
> I would like (actually I need) to know what do you think about this
> issue,
> and eventually your wise advise.
> Since Argentina is perhaps the country with more psychologists per
> inhabitants ;), CRM here is also "psycho-oriented".
> But last week in the Civil Aviation CRM Advisory Office we received
> the CRM
> syllabus from one of our principal airlines which cought us off guard.
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> In the Introduction the authors state, under the title "Ideological
> Frame"
> (sic), concepts like "accidents are meaningfull acts, unconscious
> constructs, just like lapsus linguae, etc... They occurr in personal
> crisis
> contexts... Normally the individual remain unaware of the hidden
> meaning of
> these events". And so on.
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> These authors also have written about the Challanger accident,
> describing it
> as a collective organizational suicide...
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> After this introduction I expected to read something like a strong
> recomendation for endless psychoanalysis for all pilots, cabincrew and
> dispachers. They propose instead, a group-therapy-like series of
> seminars,
> with a lot of tools for self-evaluation, etc.
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> I'm rather disoriented, should I accept this program, should I propose
> some
> modification. In the last case, which one.
>
> Thanks in advance for your inputs.
>
> Hugo
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> Hugo Leimann
> Civil Aviation and Military CRM Advisor
> Argentine Aviation Authority
> http://www.house.com.ar/users/hf_crm
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