RE: Another Rogue

Luis F Rebolledo (piperj100_at_epm.net.co)
Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:05 -0500


I think management or any other organization from within the company such as
the crm or the training dept DO NOT want to take a corrective action
against such a pilot,other than to give more and more training which this so
called pilot already knows by memory,that he can fool anybody with any
level of experience or seniority in the company, because they are AFROID!
Who knows how much money the company has to pay to this pilot if fired?Is
there a fare cause to fire him?they can not just kick him out like that,and
he knows it so he behaves the way he does cause everyone is AFRIOD of taking
the step forward, and that happens in every company one way or another.What
a shame!!!
-----Original Message-----
De: Hugo Oscar Leimann Patt <hleimann_at_houseware.com.ar>
Para: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu <crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu>
Fecha: Martes 7 de Julio de 1998 09:43 AM
Asunto: Re: Another Rogue

>
>At 08:06 PM 7/07/98 +1200, you wrote:
>>a 58 year old Captain, with a history of denial of his
>>own problem, inability to work well with his peers, but sufficiently smart
>>to say and do the right things when training hurdles are created for him?
>
>What about waiting 2 years for his retirement? :-)
>
>Hi dear Gang,
>We had an intense discusion on this issue in August 14-24, 1997; remember?
>CRM is not a solution for single individuals detected as requiring some
>behavioral fixing.
>But, why are this individuals reluctant or refractory to CRM phylosophy?,
is
>it enough with acrostics and self check lists?, how many seminars and loft
>sessions are needed to change their dangerous behavior? CRM is the best
>context to self examine and insight, but have these individuals enought
>insight capacity? Has peer pressure demonstrate efficiency to deal with
them?
>
>When you are in front of a characteropathic individual, you are dealing
with
>a person unable to make any kind of insight. They believe that they are the
>"best pilots they ever saw" (remember The Right Stuff and the Chuck Yeager
>Syndrome?, also Maverik's Top Gun Syndrome), in some cases they are pilot
>with a hidden and subconscious aprehention to fly, that generate a lot of
>trouble in their cockpits with their intolerant and absurd behaviors.
>
>I agree with the importance of a good selection process proposed by Guy,
but
>in these cases it is too late, and an "aeronautical maladaptive syndrome"
>(Aviat.Space Environ. Med., 1988, p.955-9) may be developed after a good
>selection process anyway.
>
>In our country when such a pilot is detected, the certification board is
>alerted and eventually when the pilot comes to his/her annual medical exam,
>or in the ocasion of a post-accident/incident exam, he/she is grounded and
>psychoterapeutic treatment recomended.
>
>But when the rogue pilot is the operation manager of the company, then you
>are in a big problem (we had suffered it).
>In that case perhaps the Bob Helmreich solution for boomerang pilots is the
>only way out.
>
>Greetings from Buenos Aires.
>
>Lt.Col. Hugo Oscar Leimann Patt, M.D., Ph.D.
>Argentine Aviation Authority and Air Force CRM Developer
>Chief Medical Certification Board
>National Institute for Aviation Medicine
>Buenos Aires
>Argentina
>Tel Office:(541)778-0353, Fax Office: (541) 778-0352
>Home Tel/Fax: (541)552-4266
>hleimann_at_house.com.ar
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>
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