From my perspective, this is one fundamental problem of CRM. The PIC is
the ultimate and final decision maker. The crew can give him the
options, but at the end of the day the decision is his. This difference
in responsibility and leadership does not lend itself easily to a
genuine team work, and that is what CRM is about. To treat them the same
way, will require a self managing team with no discriminating titles and
with equal responsibility. I don't think we are there yet.
Cheers,
Ibrahim
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>From: CRMDEEN_at_aol.com[SMTP:CRMDEEN_at_aol.com]
>Sent: Thursday, 3 July 1997 12:32
>To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
>Subject: Error or Violation?
>
>Hello, sleeping group; need a thought-stimulator?
>
> Bob Helmriech's "Fifth Generation" describes an attitude of management
>that is forgiving of "error" (since human error is inevitable), but not
>forgiving of "violations." With this premise, answer me this:
> A pilot gets "task saturated" during a rushed approach. His first
>attempt to land is high and hot, so, at the suggestion of a crewmember, he
>goes around and transisitions into a visual pattern (the weather is OK).
> During the visual pattern, he uses airspeeds and flaps settings that are
>different than prescribed in the flight manual. His turn to final is high,
>close, overshooting, and hot again. He states "we'll use half flaps so I can
>get it down", which of course is opposite of basic pilotage. He touches down
>quite long, excessively fast, and as a result the aircraft breaks up leaving
>the aerodrome boundry.
> I think it fair to say that the pilot did not begin the day planning to
>botch the landing, but he got overwhelmed by the arrival challenge.
> "Error" which should be forgiven? or
> "Violation" (of flight manual directives) which should receive
>discipline?
> Should the PIC and crew be treated different, or the same?
>
> What's your vote?
>
>Greg Deen
>HTI C-130 ATS
>