>From: "Andre Berger" <Andre.Berger_at_village.uunet.be>
>To: <crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu>
>Subject: RE: Thanks for the advice
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:45:46 +0100
>Reply-To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
>
>
>Hello Steve and Jeff,
>
>I disagree with your handling of the situation. But it is not because
>people disagree with you that you have seen the "grey" where others see
>only black and white, as you suggested.
>
>For example, I would not quantify the ability *to switch at the minima
from
>a landing decision to a go around decision to a land anyway decision*
as a
>characteristic of "an experienced" pilot. On the contrary! We have a
very
>different perspective here, that is clear.
>
>I think an "experienced captain" always goes around when the F/O (he is
>rated, isn't he?)calls for a go around near the minima. Believing that
the
>"extra brain cells" can handle the job means in this case: disregard
the
>most professional advise the "experienced captain" can get! I would not
>call the work of "extra brain cells" what we used to call
"impulsivity".
>Guess why the F/O was upset? Because he saw "extra brain cells" at
work?
>Hmm, I don't think so.
>
>Impulsivity is what we call in our CRM course (amongst other things):
The
>wrong stuff. You correctly write that the experienced captain should
take
>the time to take the less experienced crew member with him at all
times.
>Great, I agree! Add that you can not do that at the minima, except if
you
>go around first and then communicate more in detail about what
happened.
>
>Jeff wrote:
>
>> .... I
>> drove home the idea that the copilot's inputs were both valued and
>> necessary. Obviously, there is a difference between words and deeds,
>> and I wanted to know what those more experienced than I would do.
Any
>> suggestions?
>
>Yes I have:
>make sure there is no difference between the words and the deeds.
>That is: if you are serious about having good CRM in the cockpit.
>
>No way to convince that young "inexperienced F/O" any other way,
certainly
>not by adding more "words".
>
>You see, there are different perspectives to this. Not black and white,
>just different shades of grey.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Andre Berger
>Capt B737
>Training Manager Sobelair
>Andre.Berger_at_advalvas.be
>
>
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