RE: CPIs for Cabin Crew

Hart, Dave (Dave2_at_FSI061.FlightSafety.com)
Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:53:21 -0500


James,

You are correct. You do have a unique culture, and I see it as that of
a mission crew. As a C-130 Nav, I've flown my share of aeromed training
missions. My view is that the aeromeds are the "mission crew", much
like the "back end" crews in the AWACS. You might want to contact the
units at Tinker for the training they're doing with their mission crews.

Both the flight crew and the mission crew have to work together to
accomplish the mission. That barrier at 245 has to come down!

Dave Hart
> ----------
> From: James Gosnell[SMTP:gosnell_at_zeus.bwh.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 0045
> To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
> Subject: RE: CPIs for Cabin Crew
>
>
> Dave, This is the attitude that we as Aeromedical Crew Members are
> trying
> to stop! Yes we do have a unique culture, but when it comes down to
> it, in
> a contingency or emergency, we have to act according to our checklist
> as
> well as the loadmaster and the rest of the crew. We have coordination
> needs
> with the loadmaster for weight and balance purposes for our patient
> loads.
> As an MCD, (Medical Crew Director), I have to keep the AC informed as
> to
> our patient status. If we have a problem, I am on headset to
> coordinate the
> flight and divert the aircraft if needed. We have to know our aircraft
> as
> well as the rest of the Flight Crew. In C-9 aircraft, we have PAX as
> well
> as patients. We have the same responsibilities as we have to work as
> cabin
> crew do with most major airlines. If you look at history, The initial
> "Stewardesses" were Registered Nurses. We have become a lot more
> specialized since then. There are a lot of other Flight Crews that
> could
> fall into the same category as ourselves, ie: gunners on AC-130s,
> AWACSs
> personnel, weather flight folks, the list goes on. Personnel who work
> on
> the aircraft that have achieved wings for any reason, have
> aeronautical
> orders, and whose primary environment is the inside of the airplane in
> any
> station need CRM as well as anyone else. If you look back at Vince
> Mancusos' note on 12/2 look at the CRM skills checklist. If you think
> about
> it, you will see that Aeromedical Crews have a place here. Granted we
> do
> not have primary control of the aircraft, but it is our specific
> training
> needs in the air that give you some Engineering duties. We could not
> fly
> without you, (although I have seen some flights without a Flight
> Engineer
> or Nav.). An Aeromed Mission would not occur without Aeromeds! At
> 12:07 PM
> 12/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>