I have seen first hand what Jeff Hill is saying about the organizational
culture breeding rogue attitudes and behavior. We work in the wildland
fire industry, and we're seeing a lot of that "attitude damage" occurring
at the indoctrination and basic course levels - inflicted by instructors,
many who are rogues themselves. I sat through a basic fire behavior course
last spring and was appalled to see the instructor impart such attitudinal
gems as: "Don't trust anyone you don't personally know", "Don't trust your
fellow crew members." and "Don't trust your crew leader."
That class consisted of 30 young people who had no prior experience or
exposure to firefighting operations. I hate to think about how many
seasons may pass before something happens that will invalidate those
attitudes (if ever).
This year we are starting to work directly with cadres in an effort to
improve the situation. The effort is not a search and destroy mission, but
rather of education and awareness - particularly of the impact that they
have on these starting firefighters. Hopefully we'll get some good
self-examination in the process. We'll see how well it goes...
Lark
LMcDonald_at_MCSolutions.com
(303) 766-3700
-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Santilhano [SMTP:wendy_at_Net-Info.Com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 10:06 AM
To: crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
Subject: Re: Roguism
Hi everyone,
Been watching this discussion, like most others, with intrigue. I'm
currently working on my CFI and have done all my training through the
general aviation route. I have similar concerns as Mr Hill, except not
military. If we are talking about changing behaviours, ought we not to be
placing a significant focus on new/ ab initio pilots and their instructors
to ensure the necessary behaviours and habits are taught and developed
correctly in the first place? Hopefully then we will not end up spending
so
much time and energy teaching "old dogs new tricks."
Wendy.
At 10:46 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I am a newcomer to this forum and have been watching this growing
discussion.
> I was an Air Force human factors instructor until retirement in June. I
>spent my last two years in Special Operations. My thoughts...
>
>It seems to me that Roguism can be bred into individuals via the
>organizational culture. The Air Force, unlike the airlines, has a great
>number of very young troops (most of which may eventually be airline
pilots).
> The commander and operations officer significantly influence those
>youngsters... That attitude seems very difficult to change. Indeed, I
think
>that many leave the service sooner than expected because they cannot
>transition to a more disciplined unit.
>
>What do you think? How does this differ from the airline operation?
>
>Jeffrey R. Hill
>gmanhill_at_aol.com
>(904) 651-9574