Sincerely,
Florian Jentsch
On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, E. Geuzebroek wrote:
> CRM training according JAR-FCL is something different then CRM training
> according to JAR-OPS.
>
> In JAR-OPS you are dealing with a commercial airline operation. I don't have
> a copy of this document so I can't say anything about JAR-OPS CRM training
> here. I thought the discussion here was about CRM according to JAR-OPS.
>
> JAR-FCL are regulations about becoming a pilot etc. (Private, Commercial, ATP
> etc.)
> When you want to become a pilot on a Multi Pilot Aeroplane you have to follow
> a MCC (Multi-Crew Co-operation) course.
> I do hold a copy of the latest JAR-FCL. In this document the only thing they
> publish about CRM CLASSROOM instructor is the following:
>
> AMC FCL 1.261(d) Multi-Crew co-operation course (aeroplanes)
>
> 1 The aim of the course ..........
>
> INSTRUCTORS
> 2 Instructors for MCC training should be thoroughly familiair with human
> factors and crew resource management (CRM). They should be current with the
> latest developments in human factors training and CRM techniques.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
>
> AMC FCL 1.261(d) 2 is for classroom instructors only. A CRM instructor in a
> simulator requires a TRI(MPA) Type Rating Instructor rating (Multi-Pilot
> Aeroplanes). For this you have to have an JAR-FCL ATP licence. The other
> licence you can have is a SFI(A) Synthetic Flight Instructor (aeroplanes) to
> train CRM in a sim or FNPT2 (Flight Navigation Procedure Trainer) An SFI holds
> or have held a proffesional pilot's licence issued by a JAA Member State or a
> non JAR-FCL licence acceptable to the Authority, have at least 1500 hours
> flying experience as pilot on Multi-Pilot aeroplanes.
>
> For further information please ask the JAA. Their email is: apyoung_at_jaa.nl
> Their address is:
> JAA Headquarters
> P.O. Box 3000
> 2130 KN Hoofddorp
> The Netherlands
> Tel. +31(0)23 5679700
> Fax +31(0)23 5679700
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ernst Geuzebroek,
>
> Dutch & Canadian Flight Instructor.
>
> Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada.
> Tel. (905) 884-9300
>
> My homepage: http://web.idirect.com/~geuzebro/mijzelf.htm (in Dutch)
>
>
> ----------
> > From: F. Jentsch <fjentsch_at_pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> > To: INTERNET:crm-devel_at_db.erau.edu
> > Subject: Re: Aviation Psychologists - who needs 'em?
> > Date: 5-Apr-98 10:28 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > Finding the discussion on the new guidance in the JAR-FCL regarding who
> > may train CRM very interesting, but not having the actual guidance text
> > available, I was wondering about the following:
> >
> > Does the JAR-FCL guidance require AT LEAST one (the main) trainer to
> > comply with the air transport certification/currency requirement, or does
> > it specifically PROHIBIT anyone without the ATPL/currency requirement to
> > teach CRM?
> >
> > Asked differently:
> >
> > Is it ok for someone who does not comply with the ATPL/currency
> > requirement to be active in the classroom, as long as a person fulfilling
> > the requirement is present and officially responsible?
> >
> > The reason I am asking this is, that in any case, an aviation
> > psychologist without an ATPL/currency could be seen as a part of the
> > "training material," just like a CBT course, a training video, etc. Given
> > that, I guess the above regulatory guidance does not mean "out with
> > non-pilots," but rather: Pilots should be responsible, as they are in
> > flight training, simulator training, etc.
> >
> > Would like to hear anybody's opinion on this.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Florian Jentsch, Ph.D.
> > Research Scientist (and certificated pilot)
> > Team Performance Laboratory
> > University of Central Florida
> >
> >
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> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the view of the
> > University of Central Florida.
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> >
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